1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:03,110 we're honored today to be in the office 2 00:00:07,940 --> 00:00:05,730 here in Moscow with general alexei 3 00:00:11,799 --> 00:00:07,950 leonov general thank you very much for 4 00:00:14,209 --> 00:00:11,809 spending the time with us today 2015 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:14,219 represents two of the most important 6 00:00:19,099 --> 00:00:15,690 anniversaries in human spaceflight 7 00:00:20,990 --> 00:00:19,109 history they both involve you the 50th 8 00:00:24,580 --> 00:00:21,000 anniversary of man's first spacewalk 9 00:00:27,290 --> 00:00:24,590 and the 40th anniversary of Apollo Soyuz 10 00:00:30,490 --> 00:00:27,300 it's hard to believe that this much time 11 00:00:34,130 --> 00:00:30,500 has passed but looking back at that time 12 00:00:36,799 --> 00:00:34,140 what what did those days mean to you 13 00:00:39,319 --> 00:00:36,809 personally and are the memories of those 14 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:39,329 accomplishments as significant today as 15 00:00:48,229 --> 00:00:41,610 they were when you lived through those 16 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:48,239 fifty years ago and 40 years ago let me 17 00:00:58,910 --> 00:00:54,690 start with some events that took the 18 00:01:01,970 --> 00:00:58,920 least prior to that how did I happen to 19 00:01:05,870 --> 00:01:01,980 have become a part of this goal of this 20 00:01:08,270 --> 00:01:05,880 task very recently in minutes of one of 21 00:01:12,109 --> 00:01:08,280 the meetings we have found the following 22 00:01:14,390 --> 00:01:12,119 statement and this takes us back to mr. 23 00:01:17,090 --> 00:01:14,400 corridor running one of the meetings 24 00:01:22,130 --> 00:01:17,100 where they were supposed to shape up the 25 00:01:23,990 --> 00:01:22,140 actual first evie a session that I was 26 00:01:27,859 --> 00:01:24,000 supposed to be a part of and what he 27 00:01:33,380 --> 00:01:27,869 said about me yeah I would like to 28 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:33,390 outline the most important feature his 29 00:01:42,230 --> 00:01:39,170 with his ability to quickly act new kagu 30 00:01:49,639 --> 00:01:42,240 his ability to guess correctly his 31 00:01:54,499 --> 00:01:49,649 ability to accept technical materials in 32 00:02:03,760 --> 00:01:54,509 character he's an artist he's very 33 00:02:13,170 --> 00:02:03,770 sociable he's very he's very courageous 34 00:02:23,130 --> 00:02:17,190 of different and I think that this 35 00:02:26,250 --> 00:02:23,140 person strongly deserves our that's what 36 00:02:31,190 --> 00:02:26,260 mr. konanov talking about me which I 37 00:02:34,949 --> 00:02:31,200 never knew and these words determined my 38 00:02:37,199 --> 00:02:34,959 my destiny and then the issue came up as 39 00:02:44,990 --> 00:02:37,209 to who is going to be the first one to 40 00:02:51,300 --> 00:02:45,000 go Evie a he said we do have this year I 41 00:02:54,059 --> 00:02:51,310 visited mr. Cole's daughter and she let 42 00:03:04,970 --> 00:02:54,069 me listen to recording on the first 43 00:03:11,099 --> 00:03:08,190 he said that in order for us to conquer 44 00:03:14,699 --> 00:03:11,109 the world this space we need to learn 45 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:14,709 how to operate outside of this space in 46 00:03:21,689 --> 00:03:18,730 order to build space stations to provide 47 00:03:26,580 --> 00:03:21,699 each other with the proper decisions we 48 00:03:30,689 --> 00:03:26,590 need to learn how to work together with 49 00:03:35,129 --> 00:03:30,699 our but with the vehicles belonging to 50 00:03:36,479 --> 00:03:35,139 different countries and back that for 51 00:03:40,409 --> 00:03:36,489 the first time I mean they've heard to 52 00:03:43,979 --> 00:03:40,419 me that I was the one to make it and in 53 00:03:47,009 --> 00:03:43,989 this regard I strongly feel that I'm 54 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:47,019 very happy because I managed to have 55 00:03:57,449 --> 00:03:53,290 resolved those that had an enormous 56 00:04:00,240 --> 00:03:57,459 impact on the subsequent activities in 57 00:04:04,379 --> 00:04:00,250 space I'm very glad that I was involved 58 00:04:06,599 --> 00:04:04,389 in those activities we are to look back 59 00:04:09,990 --> 00:04:06,609 at what was happening fifty years ago 60 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:10,000 but I don't think you through anybody 61 00:04:22,290 --> 00:04:13,290 ever would have been able to actually 62 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:22,300 sign that and this is something that 63 00:04:32,540 --> 00:04:25,930 Boris chair talk very famous engineer 64 00:04:41,010 --> 00:04:32,550 of Russia said once the most vivid 65 00:04:48,110 --> 00:04:41,020 impression of my life was but I found 66 00:04:54,590 --> 00:04:48,120 myself to be surrounded with the Stars 67 00:05:02,909 --> 00:04:58,800 enormous unbelievable silence which is 68 00:05:07,409 --> 00:05:02,919 something that comes back to me as that 69 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:07,419 reminiscence of my first slide as you 70 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:10,650 moved outside of the Voskhod spacecraft 71 00:05:16,650 --> 00:05:13,330 Pavel Belyayev your crew mate that was 72 00:05:18,659 --> 00:05:16,660 watching very carefully you wrote in an 73 00:05:21,330 --> 00:05:18,669 article for air and space magazine 74 00:05:23,719 --> 00:05:21,340 several years ago that you felt like a 75 00:05:27,180 --> 00:05:23,729 seagull with its wings outstretched 76 00:05:28,890 --> 00:05:27,190 soaring high above the earth what what 77 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:28,900 was that experience like it was a very 78 00:05:38,580 --> 00:05:32,770 short space walk but you had great 79 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:38,590 recollections of it well this feeling 80 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:42,970 it's just the perception of space the 81 00:05:50,210 --> 00:05:47,010 perception of environment and what I saw 82 00:05:57,379 --> 00:05:50,220 and I saw just half of the world 83 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:00,480 nobody even up until now nobody's flying 84 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:06,250 that so I saw a radius of half of the 85 00:06:16,350 --> 00:06:10,210 planet of Earth and the ability to see 86 00:06:19,290 --> 00:06:16,360 the whole earth as a globe something 87 00:06:22,890 --> 00:06:19,300 that was extremely attractive and I 88 00:06:28,070 --> 00:06:22,900 could easily recognize the black sea rim 89 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:28,080 the crime here bukhari 90 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:33,130 looking baltic sea and it was all within 91 00:07:25,030 --> 00:07:20,540 to do with this the way that I have that 92 00:07:35,900 --> 00:07:25,040 show person with his hands white bread 93 00:07:40,130 --> 00:07:35,910 which is a symbolic presentation in the 94 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:40,140 free flight this analogy is closer to me 95 00:07:50,180 --> 00:07:46,770 personal but once again these stars were 96 00:07:52,370 --> 00:07:50,190 very bright it was a lot of and it was 97 00:07:59,270 --> 00:07:52,380 interesting if they were everywhere they 98 00:08:13,940 --> 00:07:59,280 were they were beneath stars up in the 99 00:08:16,130 --> 00:08:13,950 sky in space we see smaller stars it was 100 00:08:18,860 --> 00:08:16,140 a very short space walk but in the brief 101 00:08:21,530 --> 00:08:18,870 time you were outside did you have a 102 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:21,540 sense that you were making history that 103 00:08:27,860 --> 00:08:24,890 you were the the first the Pathfinder of 104 00:08:30,530 --> 00:08:27,870 space walk activity that later would 105 00:08:38,890 --> 00:08:30,540 become a standard and staple and very 106 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:42,529 prior to the flight but during this life 107 00:08:50,780 --> 00:08:47,130 the only thing I could think was to 108 00:08:52,970 --> 00:08:50,790 concentrate and to perform 109 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:52,980 everything that I was supposed I was 110 00:08:59,180 --> 00:08:55,530 thinking about this space I was thinking 111 00:09:01,550 --> 00:08:59,190 about the necessity to stay focused but 112 00:09:03,980 --> 00:09:01,560 not only was I thinking about the 113 00:09:07,430 --> 00:09:03,990 immediate step I was supposed to make 114 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:07,440 but also on the next step but I never 115 00:09:13,430 --> 00:09:10,290 thought that I'm doing anything that is 116 00:09:16,970 --> 00:09:13,440 heroic otherwise it would end it 117 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:16,980 probably badly well you are outside of 118 00:09:22,790 --> 00:09:19,530 the airlock of your spacecraft your 119 00:09:25,970 --> 00:09:22,800 spacesuit encountered a deformation if 120 00:09:27,530 --> 00:09:25,980 you will that threatened your ability to 121 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:27,540 get back inside for a while 122 00:09:32,450 --> 00:09:30,810 how did you overcome this problem what 123 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:32,460 was the problem and how did you overcome 124 00:09:45,740 --> 00:09:41,690 it to successfully in the spacewalk I 125 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:45,750 was doing a lot of training in the 126 00:09:54,020 --> 00:09:49,890 vacuum chamber imitating the altitude of 127 00:09:57,260 --> 00:09:54,030 60 kilometers which is a deadly area for 128 00:10:06,070 --> 00:09:57,270 an average human being and I was lying 129 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:06,080 in the chair trying to work out the 130 00:10:17,450 --> 00:10:10,530 belief in what I was wearing as a means 131 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:17,460 of protecting up until now nowhere on 132 00:10:27,470 --> 00:10:21,810 the planet Russia worn in the United 133 00:10:30,620 --> 00:10:27,480 States we have any vacuum chambers to 134 00:10:37,250 --> 00:10:30,630 actually test the spacesuit to be flown 135 00:10:40,730 --> 00:10:37,260 on the elevations of 400 kilometers so 136 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:40,740 we could expect almost anything the 137 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:44,730 design of the spacesuit was rated as far 138 00:10:54,500 --> 00:10:49,370 as pressure for a nominal pressure of 139 00:10:56,990 --> 00:10:54,510 760 and then half of this pressure and I 140 00:10:59,850 --> 00:10:57,000 did have a device that would allow me to 141 00:11:02,819 --> 00:10:59,860 drop the pressure had it begin 142 00:11:05,790 --> 00:11:02,829 and I knew how to do that but I had to 143 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:05,800 understand that if I decide to draw the 144 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:11,410 pressure I could actually pose myself in 145 00:11:18,930 --> 00:11:14,410 two very deadly situation because the 146 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:18,940 nitrogen in my blood would come to boil 147 00:11:25,139 --> 00:11:21,490 but once again I was trained to do that 148 00:11:29,850 --> 00:11:25,149 was I knew how to do it and then during 149 00:11:33,389 --> 00:11:29,860 the eighth I always Adhan realized that 150 00:11:37,290 --> 00:11:33,399 my fingers got loose and they kinda came 151 00:11:40,889 --> 00:11:37,300 off the glove that's and inside the 152 00:11:43,620 --> 00:11:40,899 glove I immediately realized that I have 153 00:11:46,860 --> 00:11:43,630 got to do something because I cannot go 154 00:11:49,769 --> 00:11:46,870 on with this spacesuit and particularly 155 00:11:54,780 --> 00:11:49,779 I will not I will not be able to return 156 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:54,790 the vehicle because I had a tether which 157 00:12:01,710 --> 00:11:57,850 was five and a half meters long and I 158 00:12:07,590 --> 00:12:01,720 was supposed to roll it out and every 40 159 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:07,600 minutes I had which I was supposed to 160 00:12:18,930 --> 00:12:15,010 actually put on I will not be able to 161 00:12:23,639 --> 00:12:18,940 get back to the airlock but with the 162 00:12:29,189 --> 00:12:23,649 gloves like this I was never able 163 00:12:32,579 --> 00:12:29,199 eventually I also need to remove the 164 00:12:36,319 --> 00:12:32,589 camera is a porridge and what's 165 00:12:39,210 --> 00:12:36,329 important that I was just levitated 166 00:12:43,340 --> 00:12:39,220 these days it's very very simple 167 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:43,350 we put a crew member on a foot restraint 168 00:12:50,579 --> 00:12:46,930 with both hands available he can do it 169 00:12:52,949 --> 00:12:50,589 but back then there was no such a 170 00:12:56,550 --> 00:12:52,959 technique and we just didn't have 171 00:12:59,519 --> 00:12:56,560 guessed that this is something so I my 172 00:13:03,630 --> 00:12:59,529 one hand was always occupied with 173 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:03,640 actually grabbing something in order to 174 00:13:08,610 --> 00:13:05,650 stay 175 00:13:13,530 --> 00:13:08,620 and during the eighth minute rest of the 176 00:13:17,850 --> 00:13:13,540 easy I've realized that the space suit 177 00:13:20,610 --> 00:13:17,860 was behaving in such a way that I cannot 178 00:13:22,490 --> 00:13:20,620 continue like this anymore and I will 179 00:13:27,420 --> 00:13:22,500 not be able to get back to the airlock 180 00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:27,430 something needed so what should i do 181 00:13:33,540 --> 00:13:29,920 what should I have done drop the 182 00:13:37,050 --> 00:13:33,550 pressure in five minutes I was supposed 183 00:13:40,019 --> 00:13:37,060 to be in English Eclipse 184 00:13:43,470 --> 00:13:40,029 with the gloves like that I will not be 185 00:13:48,630 --> 00:13:43,480 able to roll out this tether moocher and 186 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:48,640 then I silently violating every single 187 00:13:56,310 --> 00:13:52,570 regulation without reporting anything to 188 00:14:03,450 --> 00:13:56,320 the ground I drop the pressure 2.27 189 00:14:06,030 --> 00:14:03,460 atmosphere at that point I realized that 190 00:14:10,470 --> 00:14:06,040 I'm gonna be in real trouble you're real 191 00:14:13,079 --> 00:14:10,480 sorry that I'm getting closer to the 192 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:13,089 area where the nitrogen is supposed to 193 00:14:18,990 --> 00:14:16,930 come to boil or maybe not but I didn't 194 00:14:28,230 --> 00:14:19,000 have any choice yeah I didn't have any 195 00:14:31,199 --> 00:14:28,240 recourse and the way we do used to do 196 00:14:32,490 --> 00:14:31,209 this pressure in differential it was not 197 00:14:37,980 --> 00:14:32,500 a smooth process 198 00:14:43,170 --> 00:14:37,990 it was step by step so I've decided to 199 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:43,180 go ahead and drop the pressure I was 200 00:14:51,420 --> 00:14:48,490 pure oxygen but everything came back to 201 00:14:56,090 --> 00:14:51,430 the gloves went back to normal and I 202 00:14:58,740 --> 00:14:56,100 felt different looks like the danger 203 00:15:02,730 --> 00:14:58,750 associated with this inadequate space 204 00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:02,740 suit was taken here and what I have done 205 00:15:11,430 --> 00:15:08,110 I removed and I tried to kind of break 206 00:15:35,460 --> 00:15:11,440 this place in order to get back to the 207 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:35,470 air first went back into the airlock 208 00:15:48,690 --> 00:15:41,770 with my head first and I went inside I 209 00:15:53,850 --> 00:15:48,700 was supposed because in eventually I had 210 00:15:59,630 --> 00:15:53,860 to go to the vehicle with my legs if I 211 00:16:06,120 --> 00:15:59,640 would not have managed I was supposed to 212 00:16:16,110 --> 00:16:06,130 actually secure but before doing that I 213 00:16:27,019 --> 00:16:16,120 needed to make sure that nothing was the 214 00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:27,029 most difficult thing with the head and I 215 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:31,120 really don't know how I managed to turn 216 00:16:38,310 --> 00:16:35,170 window with my lens first and I was 217 00:16:41,069 --> 00:16:38,320 running a field and I was sweating I 218 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:41,079 could not see much because they would 219 00:16:49,850 --> 00:16:44,250 sweat and then when I eventually made it 220 00:16:59,060 --> 00:16:49,860 so without even closing the internal 221 00:17:07,620 --> 00:17:04,260 because sweat was common I mean if I 222 00:17:09,900 --> 00:17:07,630 decide to run 10 kilometers in my 223 00:17:14,699 --> 00:17:09,910 clothes I probably wouldn't have been 224 00:17:19,740 --> 00:17:14,709 sweating me I was running fever like I 225 00:17:25,140 --> 00:17:19,750 said so no everything happened the way 226 00:17:26,819 --> 00:17:25,150 it should and after that I was thinking 227 00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:26,829 for a long time 228 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:30,310 what kind of sequences I would have to 229 00:17:43,860 --> 00:17:35,570 deal with violation of those rules and I 230 00:17:48,550 --> 00:17:46,960 but the most important thing that on the 231 00:17:51,580 --> 00:17:48,560 ground we've been doing a lot of 232 00:17:54,250 --> 00:17:51,590 rigorous training so I was prepared how 233 00:17:56,380 --> 00:17:54,260 to draw pressure I've done that because 234 00:17:58,960 --> 00:17:56,390 I'll pick the forelady of training 235 00:18:02,320 --> 00:17:58,970 although we never assume something like 236 00:18:06,130 --> 00:18:02,330 that is in fact going to but we have got 237 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:06,140 to be prepared lexically enough you are 238 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:08,450 a great man we appreciate your time